Physical Culture - A Era De Antes Dos Suplementos E Das Drogas

[Vecchio 4504]

Mestre Hélio seguia a "Dieta Gracie", que seu irmão mais velho Carlos idealizara.

Comenta-se que Carlos Gracie Sr adaptou/baseou-se a Dieta Gracie em outra, de um médico argentino, Dr. Juan Esteves Gulin.

Fato é que uma mesma dieta como a deles, no século XIX, tratando a combinação dos alimentos, classificação dos mesmos em grupos, etc, já havia sido lançada. Copiar por copiar então, ambos se basearam nesta, a chamada Hay´s Diet.

Eu comprei o livrinho recente lançado pelo Rorion (filho do Mestre Hélio, criador do UFC). É uma dieta saudável.

Hoje em dia até eu poderia segui-la, mas eu me viciei no método da IIFYM. Baita liberdade.

A longevidade e o vigor de ambos os patriarcas, Hélio e Carlos, são devidas à tal dieta, nas palavras deles em entrevistas do passado. Possível "contraprova genética" poderia então ser obtida com o falecimento do Mestre Carlson (primeiro filho de Carlos Sr), vítima de diabetes, entre outras doenças. Carlson não seguia a dieta.

Editado Novembro 2, 2014 às 21:51 por Jaraqui

[NoFearBaby 122]

Belo texto Vikingr

[Kinko_RO 1027]

Já tem um tópico sobre ele, mas acho muito foda: Hermann Goerner

Na década de 20 foi capaz de alguns feitos singulares, como terra de 360kgs com as duas mãos, 300kgs com somente uma...

(Não gostaria de sentir o aperto de mão do sujeito kkkkk)

[Rodzilla 579]

massa esse baixinho aí é zica

[Gabriel138 1859]

Deixando a estetica de lado um pouco,esse camarada vale a pena ser citado entre a galera do passado, Louis Cyr faleceu em 1912,tem um filme sobre ele,cara forte pra caramba,mas não to conseguindo achar os dados concretos,foto e trecho do filme

[Kinko_RO 1027]

Cyr era um monstro (Graças a uma "doença" hereditária, mas enfim)

Sei que ele já fez um clean and press com um halter de 124 quilos. Reproduziram este halter e colocaram como prova de strongman num Arnold Classic

Impressionante que, mesmo passado mais de um século de tal feito, com todo o avanço no esporte - seja em treino, anabolizantes, etc - teve nego que não ergueu

MITO!

[Visitante]

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Editado Julho 14, 2016 às 17:41 por Abuiu

[Chez 1396]

Qual será o material que puseram nesse halter? Tem que ter uma densidade enorme para 124kg estarem neste "pequeno" halter.

O halter n é pequeno, é que do lado desse "pequeno atleta de strongman", ele parecer ser kkkkkkkkkkk

[R.U.M. 1958]

Um dos melhores tópicos do fórum. Acho que é um dever cívico admirar o que os antigos conseguiram e aprender com eles.

[Visitante Víkingr]

Abaixo está a rotina de treino Goerner,estou com preguiça de traduzir lol se alguém tiver com disposição pra traduzí-lo fique à vontade.

Goerner’s Training - Terry Todd/Charles Smith

Terry and Jan Todd

with Mabel Rader

Men, left to right:

Joe Weider, Barton Horvath, Charles Smith

Goerner’s Training

by Terry Todd/Charles Smith

During his career, Hermann Goerner varied his training sessions, usually training five times a week with two days of complete rest, during 1905-1913. In the summer months these five training days per week included two days in the open air on the Sporting Beach of the Germania Bath in Leipzig. After beginning his professional career, Goerner trained daily, but by the time he had reached the age of forty, he trained only three times per week.

In an interview with Charles A. Smith, a former editor of “Muscle Power” and a noted lifting authority, I was able to gather some information which, when added to what I already had from previously published sources, allows me to provide readers with the approximate routine Goerner used during the years before and just after the first World War. These were the years when he made the most astonishing progress in the King of brute strength lifts – the deadlift. Smith saw Goerner lift in England and was present the night he was paid today’s (1977) equivalent of almost $1000 by the late J. Paul Getty for making a right hand deadlift with 602 lbs. While Goerner was performing in England, Smith was able to collect much of the data which follows.

Monday –

1.) Two Hands Snatch: After loosening up with calisthenics he would work up in 8 or 10 sets of between 1 and 3 reps from around 125 to 300 lbs. on a good day.

2.) Two Hands Clean & Jerk: Beginning with 220 lbs. he would work up slowly to near his limit, which was almost 400 lbs. It should be noted that he used a very shallow split style on both the snatch and the clean & jerk, barely dipping under the weight.

3.) Two Hands Continental to the Shoulders: When he felt really well, he would put more weight on the bar after his heaviest clean & jerks and do several single continental lifts. He did them by taking the weight from the floor to his belt, then boosting it from there up to his shoulders. His best was around 450 lbs.

4.) Two Hands Curl: Goerner usually did 4 or 5 sets of this, working up to a maximum super-strict rep or two with 220 lbs.

5.) If the weather permitted, he usually ended his sessions with either some slow running or some swimming.

Tuesday –

1.) Curl & Press with Kettlebells: Approximately 10 sets, going from 55 lbs. to 110 lbs. in 5½ lb. jumps (2½ kilo) jumps. These were done very strictly – usually only 1 or 2 reps with each arm, working up quickly to the 110 lb. bells.

2.) Clean & Military Press: Approximately 8 sets of 3 to 5 reps, going from 198 to 264 in 22 lb. jumps, doing 2 sets with each weight.

3.) One Hand Swing with Kettlebells: Approximately 8 sets (4 with each arm) beginning with 110 and sometimes going as high as 254 (using two kettlebells grasped in one hand).

4.) Deadlift: Usually 6 to 8 sets, never exceeding 3 reps. He usually began with 440 lbs. (200 kilos) and worked up to almost 800 lbs. Often he would do his lighter sets without a hook, or with only three fingers on each hand, or two, or only one.

Wednesday

Rest

Thursday

1.) Curl & Press with Kettlebells: Same as Tuesday.

2.) One Hand Snatch: Usually, he would work up slowly in this lift, going from 110 to 220 with each hand.

3.) One Hand Clean & Jerk: As in the snatch, he would do quite a few sets, always using low reps (usually just one), working up to a best of 265.

4.) One Hand Deadlift: Alternating hands, Goerner would work up gradually in poundage from around 220 to over 700 lbs. on his good days, doing 10 to 12 sets.

5.) Squats: During this period, he usually squatted once each week, never more, and he would begin with around 220 and work up to approximately 600. He never really concentrated on this lift. Again, he favored low reps, 3 to 5.

Friday

1.) Clean & Press: Same as Tuesday.

2.) One Hand Swing: Same as Tuesday.

3.) Muscle-Outs with Kettlebells: He usually did these with “light” (up to 65 lbs. in each hand) weights and higher repetitions as a shoulder developer.

4.) Grip Work: Often, Goerner would practice lifting heavy barbells and dumbells with one, two or three fingers.

Saturday

1.) Curl & Press with Kettlebells: Same as Tuesday.

2.) Two Hands Snatch: Same as Monday.

3.) Two Hands Clean & Jerk: Same as Monday.

4.) Front Squat: From time to time he did these, going up to a best of over 500 lbs.

5.) Two Hands Curl: Same as Monday.

Sunday

Rest.